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Sunday, August 21, 2005

Withdraw

Arghh, I just was discussing this today, and I was almost going to lose my temper with a half American half Egyptian Muslim friend of mine!!!


I was so angry that every time I turn on the news there is coverage of the Gaza withdrawal and sad photos of a poor poor Israeli being "thrown and dragged" out of "his" ??? home.. and they keep on playing and replaying it all the time. and we are supposed to be sympathetic with them?!!!!


These people came to "Settle” in a land that they know came to them by throwing someone else out of their home, they know! They are accomplice as far as I am concerned. They went to a land that they know their precious government has conveniently evacuated by knocking down the houses of some Palestinians (but I guess they did not think it was wrong, do the Palestinians count as people? is probably on their minds). And they lived happily on this grabbed land. And of course their precious government did not drag anyone out of their houses, oh no... The Palestinians ran out on their own for fear of dying under the rubble when the bulldozers started knocking their houses down!

And then when they get out (after months of knowing about it and being promised compensation (for what!!?) they just cry and throw a fit like a spoilt kid that has been told to stop kicking the neighbor’s kid.

this friend of mine was telling me, “but it is of course so dramatic, this is their home... imagine if your own government throws you out of your home to build a highway, oh think of then as human beings!!!”
What? Excuse me? I almost yelled at her, I think I kind of did.

How could you, this is not theirs to be thrown out of. What the hell logic are you talking with?

These people were sympathetic with whom when they wrongfully took the land of the Palestinians?

And she is a Muslim and Egyptian, then again she is half American, born and raised there, on their values, and brain wash that ... actually I can't even think of what the hell values make them able to think this way.


And people are sympathetic why? Because the media keeps on playing and replaying this as a tragedy! And when Israel came into Palestinian houses dozens of time a year, it is but a foot note on the news bar at the bottom of the screen. No photos, no coverage, nothing.

So are Palestinian’s lives and homes of less worth and value to be mentioned? And these are not even Israeli homes and houses. What is built on wrong is wrong.

I didn't know who to be angrier at, the media or my friend. My friend I think, because it felt so like a betrayal.

Maybe will develop some more lately when I calm down.

19 Comments:

  • At 8/21/2005 9:07 AM, Blogger shop girl said…

    i agree with u 100% ya doshar, i was watchin the news the other day and i was really angry at the way they are picturing the "poor" settlers as victims! 7aga tenarfez fe3lan! bas u know wut the problem is not what people think the problem is with the media and wuts behind it, they have the power these days to make people beleive wutever they want so if you dont know the origin of the story ur definately gonna be fooled!

     
  • At 8/21/2005 11:12 AM, Blogger doshar said…

    ahlan shop girl. welcome here.

    you know what, some people do know the origin of the story and yet want to be fooled. nobody is totally ignorant of the story or its origins, it is just more convenient for them to not see it.

    sometimes, and i see this in other aspects of life as well, when there is a conflict and one person transgresses on another, and it is difficult for you to fix it, it is easier to try to find an excuse for the wrongdoer, so as "to feel good about themselves" and not get emotionally involved in a situation that could be frustrating, so just be neutral and don't think in depth about it. mish 3ayzeen waga3 demagh ya3ny.

    you think if any country in the world finds some people coming to their country telling them it is actually theirs because their ancestors lived there 3 thousand years ago, they would listen . they would laugh in their faces.

    you know how property is settled is difficult, and quite complicated, and if it is the case here that if your ancestors lived somewhere then it is yours forever is ridiculuous but if people are willing to buy the argument, then they should apply it to themselves too. and the US should be the first to do it with all their pro israel attitude. only the native americans should live in north america, right?, and they should go follow their ancestry line and go live wherever they lived! ridiculous!

    no one place belongs to one person forever, if you move and abadon the place, then whoever moves in next is entitled to it, till they move.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 11:37 AM, Blogger LouLou said…

    doshar,

    I could have written this post myself. I've been furious about that too.

    At least these settlers aren't leaving their so-called homes to live in refugee camps without a state. They were allowed to take their property with them. It wasn't confiscated from them. They still have a country, an identity & a passport while millions of Palestinians living in refugee camps without all 3 aren't getting any media attention & no one is thinking of them as human beings.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 12:20 PM, Blogger Lasto-adri *Blue* said…

    oh ya doshar.. it pissed me off as well, when i read such things in another blog..
    i know its one in many.. but i felt its my duty to explain a bit about that...
    you can check the link yourself

    http://bluelue.blogspot.com/2005/08/gaza.html

    don't u think its part of your duty to work on eliminating the brain wash?! i mean we have the tool.. internet and blogs for example..
    but i wonder how!

     
  • At 8/21/2005 12:48 PM, Blogger doshar said…

    lasto adri:

    actually, this happened yesterday, and i was intending to write about it but i hadn't yet, then i visited your blog yesterday,and i was so angry, not with you, but with the other post, and i actually wrote this post there first as a comment on your post, then i realized it is way too long and heated to impose on your blog, so i posted it here instead. i was thinking of adding your post as a link, but it was 3 am and the computer was doing wierd things so i just posted.

    loulou, 7aga tegheez sa7ee7! even when they are withdrawing they manage to make us mad!

     
  • At 8/21/2005 2:24 PM, Blogger Dalulla said…

    This palestinian tragedy is unfortunately one of many results of abandoning identities and religions.. Traitors of religion and identities and selfish personal gain did it all.

    The other is the arab leaders silence with the excuse of not wanting trouble?! Wait till they get in the real trouble one to one baisis, but i guess that will be too late for them to mend anything here in this world.

    Those people; Jews who accepted the term Israel and Israeli and US gov. officials (I cannot generalize and say Jews, since i know for fact there are fractions of them, even if few who do not accept Israel as a country for them) invent the lie and mangage to somehow believe it is a fact! Where is the sense in that? And how can they be referred to as modern and educated people aslan? And they refer to the middle east as thrid world? and backward?

    But then again, who allowed this to happen you think?

    I pray God gives those palestinians all the patience ever and may he accept it in their book of deeds.. 3ala ra2y Yasser Arafat Allah yer7amo, sha3b al jabareen.. They truely are for coping with all this never ending misery.

    My opinion is, Who gives a damn about the media, lets just pray this evacuation continues and let the media say whatever.. I do know the effect is terrible, but what else do we have but Duaa, and that alone is not to be under estimated.

    The Truth will prevail, so i suggest we keep cool, not let this so called strange media attitude get us angry.. We are blessed to know the truth, and to know that victory shall be for the palestinians and that this land will return to its people.

    What we need to do is what Lasto-adri *blue* was suggesting about eliminating the brain wash and correct some information about This issue of occupation. Question is as usual with any brain wash, they will always question credibility of sources of information and might also argue that we in turn are brain washed. I suggest we speak in terms of historical aspects as well as common sense and ethics which i think might bring some sense.

    But again, where is the sense in someone who will agree to any of the things that are for fact happening now? Really where?!

     
  • At 8/21/2005 5:46 PM, Blogger doshar said…

    just found this interesting comment with pics and everything:

    http://ana-elmasry.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 8/21/2005 11:12 PM, Blogger roora said…

    yes dohar, i am irritated from the msn and the media , they are showing it of in a very sympethatic way . The media is being very unfair.
    I remember in 1990, when Egypt took back Taba from them , which originally belongs to Egypt and they took it by invading, the media and the TV brought them going out from Taba crying , so now what ? does that mean we should sympathize them ? very weired

     
  • At 8/22/2005 12:30 AM, Blogger Me said…

    Well said ya Doshar... I too have been going mad at how the media "twists" the facts...and what's worse is when people like your friend get brainwashed by it... fe3lan.. fe3lan aarrrrrgggghhh !

     
  • At 8/22/2005 5:02 AM, Blogger sunnyday said…

    Hi! Interesting blog you've got here -- and fascinating topics.

    That thing about the western media being biased, it's true. Media is a powerful tool, and unfortunately, some countries use it as a means for propaganda, sometimes at the expense of the truth.

    I admit I'm not very knowledgeable on the issue of Israel-Palestine as I normally switch channels when news about this matter is on. It's always news about bombings and people getting killed =(

    Anyway, I've bookmarked your blog and I'll visit from time to time. You all take care.

    Sunny

     
  • At 8/22/2005 1:39 PM, Blogger Me said…

    Just read this today...."Media puts pullout passions on display.....As Israeli soldiers dragged Jewish settlers from their homes, one settler walked in front of about a dozen television cameras and began wailing "How could they do this? This is the land of Israel."
    When the cameras were turned off, he stopped crying and walked away.
    Another family invited a television crew into their homes and then insisted that soldiers should drag them out."

    You can read the rest of the article at http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/894889AA-D4B5-4969-9B8C-E5FA2A9ED99E.htm

     
  • At 8/22/2005 2:15 PM, Blogger doshar said…

    thanx me for the link. why i am i not surprised? typical of their manipulative sly attitude

     
  • At 8/22/2005 7:33 PM, Blogger Paul said…

    The media coverage in the US has been so biased on this subject for so long... I don't know about your friend. If you don't really think about what you hear and see on the news in the US, or get additional news sources from abroad, it's easy to pretty much overlook the suffering of the Palestinians the way that the US media has largely done.

    Of course there needs to be coverage of the suffering of the Jewish people as the result of terrorism. But if this were accompanied by looking equally at the suffering of the Palestinians, it would be so much more realistic.

    The whole situation is so terribly unfortunate. Funny we were just mentioning Hitler. I've never heard anyone mention this, but why did the Jewish people feel so strongly - and understandably - that they needed their own state after WWII? Pretty obvious answer.

    The evil that Hitler perpetrated has been enormously consequential...

     
  • At 8/23/2005 12:13 AM, Blogger doshar said…

    want your own state, doesn't mean to go build it on someone else's land. how would you have felt if they were promised california for ex, and they take the people there out of their homes?. would you feel it is understandable?

    what happened to them in WWII was not palestine's fault. so it is not an excuse to use here. why did they not go claim germany instead?

    and if they claim it is their promised land from their religous point of view, then we can say tons about religion. literally tons, talk about it later ISA.

     
  • At 8/23/2005 7:47 AM, Blogger LouLou said…

    doshar,

    "and if they claim it is their promised land from their religous point of view, then we can say tons about religion. literally tons, talk about it later ISA. "

    Let's not fall into the trap of dragging religion into this. First of all most European Jews today are more likely to be descendants of Khazars - than the ancient Israelites mentioned in the Qura'an.

    Second the argument that God would create a land, place a people on it because He wants another people to come & expel them is too ridiculous to be considered any sort of legal claim to real estate or nationhood. If God had wished Palestine to be exclusively Jewish He would not have placed other peoples on it both before & after the Israelites.

    International disputes cannot be settled on the basis of someone's deranged version of their religion or the Voices they hear in their head. They should be settled on the basis of laws acceptable by all humans of all religions. Otherwise what is to stop me from tomorrow starting a religion that calls for me to claim Honolulu as a homeland because I'm God's Chosen People?

     
  • At 8/23/2005 11:18 AM, Blogger doshar said…

    i know loul, that is why i didn't get into it.

     
  • At 8/24/2005 8:56 PM, Blogger Paul said…

    Doshar, I really don't know what the solution could have been, how it could have been worked out, for the Jewish people after WWII.

    It was clearly mishandled badly, to say the least.

    I was trying to point to the source of the problem and how unfortunate the situation was for both Palestinians and Jews. It's no small thing to have a maniac try to exterminate your whole people off the face of the earth. And it's no small thing to have those people come take over your land. It was obviously handled badly. And people have generally been handling it badly ever since, imo. Realistically, it will have to be worked out. The Palestinians will never say, "Okay, just run right over us." And the Jews aren't going to pack their bags and head back to Germany.

     
  • At 8/24/2005 11:01 PM, Blogger doshar said…

    paul,

    the solution of one problem is never creating another but for someone else.

    it was handled badly is the least to say, yes. you know who is responsible for this bad handling? the whole collective world, beginning with britain which literaly promised the jews palestine as a home (balfour's promise). it just promised it as if it is in their own back yard! why did he not promise them wales for instance? how easy to promise a piece of land (which they were occupying then)! egypt was occupied by england too, and so was most of the middle east. british colonies, and they thought they can use it a trade utilities.

    the rest of the world are responsinble for recognizing Israel as a state on the land of palestine in the year 1948. we all share the blame. everyone handled it badly. the palestinian blood is on many hands. i feel ashamed to feel that we could not (or would not) defend them, even now.


    genocide is a terrible thing indeed and i wouldn't want it for anyone, but the holocaust in germany was used and used and over used to have the sympathy of the world. it is as if it is a horrible thing to criticise them of anything after it, even if they do the same more or less to someone else!

     
  • At 8/25/2005 6:34 PM, Blogger Paul said…

    Sounds like you know a lot more of the history, but that's what I figured - a lot of countries must have been involved to handle it so badly. Also, I've felt that for the most part, the Israeli leadership has been amazingly callous about the Palestinians - as you say, in light of their own history, you'd expect the Israeli leadership to be especially sensitive.

     

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